The Media is the Message

Ok, this really doesn't make sense to me.

I understand the whole issue of dialogue.  Kudos to the church for being open to dialogue.  However, tolling out an anti-Christian/anti-religion tune on church bells seems to send a whole bunch of conflicting signals and messages.  

The church has an obligation to be consistent with the message that it conveys to the world, while at the same time continuing to engage in dialogue and discussion with those who don't understand or don't agree.  In a football game, both sides want to win, and understand that only one can win.  They might respect one another a great deal, yet neither side expects the other side's band to strike up the opposition's fight song.  At best, it would seem disingenuous.  At worst, traitorous.

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  • 5/9/2009 4:06 PM Nancy Campbell wrote:
    At least it wasn't "Why don't we do it in the road."
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    1. 5/9/2009 4:09 PM Paul Nelson wrote:
      To my great chagrin and eternal peril, I've never had an adequate response to that question.
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      1. 5/9/2009 4:33 PM Nancy Campbell wrote:
        The smell of asphalt is a turn-off?
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        1. 5/9/2009 5:32 PM Paul Nelson wrote:
          Actually, no.  *sigh*
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    2. 5/13/2009 1:08 PM Gary K wrote:
      Forgive me for taking this joke seriously, but "Why dont we [. . .]" should actually be quite a bit LESS offensive to believers than "Imagine."

      If the church is more squeamish about playing an openly sexual tune than about playing an anti-theistic one, then it has become a manifest caricature of itself sprung from the realm of popular imagination: "Welcome to church. We love everybody and want to be all-inclusive even of atheists.(More butts in the pews means more coins in the plate after all!) However, sex is naughty!"

      After all, the bible teaches that there is an apropriate context for sex, and encourages believers to celebrate sex as a gift from God. I'm not familiar with any biblical proscriptions of road sex. (Though I think chafing of potentially biblical severity would deter most would-be practitioners.)

      In the end, an open-minded and inclusive discussion of "Why, exactly, don't we do it in the road?" Would be of more value than the current question: "If we exclude God, can the Church still go around telling people what not to do? If so, we're open to that."
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      1. 5/13/2009 1:55 PM Paul Nelson wrote:
        You're always free to take the jokes seriously.  I just might not bother to respond  Obviously, the comments about alternate musical selections were farcical, and so it's hard to have a real debate on this issue as it's not an issue, but a hypothetical one.

        I would still argue that the song is inappropriate for the church to play, because of the public way they are playing it (pealing it out on the church bells).  If they want to play it inside, for the gathered attendees to discuss, that's fine.  For that matter, they could play 'Imagine' in that more private context.  It's the public playing of a song that promotes a view contrary to the Biblical one, without any ability to guarantee time to explain and engage in dialogue, that I think is most problematic here.  





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  • 5/10/2009 3:50 AM JP wrote:
    Can we apply James 3 here?

    "With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse men, who have been made in God's likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12My brothers, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water."

    Sure, in this example we are not talking about a tongue, but the church does speak, and what it speaks is important. But not only what it speaks, but also what others hear. The church, in playing this song, thinks it is speaking a word of openness and discussion. But is that what people are hearing? They are hearing a song that denies that which the church holds to be true. How can this saltwater come from the living, fresh water of Christ's body?

    I agree that the church should recognize the existence of other worldview and attitudes, and be willing to dialogue with them. But the church should consider how it does so lest it start to proclaim the message it seeks to deny.
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    1. 5/10/2009 8:58 AM Paul Nelson wrote:
      You hit the nail on the head perfectly, I think.

      One can engage in dialogue without compromising one's own position in the discussion.  Indeed, I wonder if we can even call it dialogue if that sort of compromise is expected - or offered - at the outset?  I'm sure the other parties in the dialogue won't be singing any traditional church hymns, or attending Mass to show their openness to the Christian position!

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